tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7168035872777355608.post5611131626494680511..comments2009-12-15T14:45:04.085-05:00Comments on The Rogue Indies: Lucifer Rising, Supernatural FallingBernerdhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16351049887863279457noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7168035872777355608.post-6582176753116381242009-05-19T11:46:00.000-04:002009-05-19T11:46:00.000-04:00Thanks for the feedback!
Very interesting theory ...Thanks for the feedback!<br /><br />Very interesting theory Sarah, I hope you're right. That would be interesting if Zach is just another rogue angel and Castiel and the Winchesters end up in "God's Corner". It just seems odd that there is a difference between "rogue angels" and demons. <br /><br />I do think Kripke bailed on his "dark side" Sam arc. Sad since the writing has been so tight for so long.<br /><br />One thing you can say for Supernatural is it brings up ideas and starts conversations no other show would. Great comments!Bernerdhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16351049887863279457noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7168035872777355608.post-45407410613447254492009-05-19T08:11:00.000-04:002009-05-19T08:11:00.000-04:00Kudos for such an insightful, thought provoking me...Kudos for such an insightful, thought provoking meta. I've never seen the brothers' personal philosophy compared in such a way and the comparison certainly does have merit, imo. <br /><br />I also have disliked Kripke's growing assertion that there is no real difference between demons/angels, heaven/hell. But perhaps, just as in Christian thought, demons were angels once (none of this "demons were human" invention), Kripke's trying to show how pride/arrogance can lead to corruption and downfall, whether it be in an angel or a man. Zachariah and his equally ambitious peers want to fight Lucifer, not to serve God or out of protect His creation, but to further a personal agenda. Uriel was a religious zealot, who chose Lucifer out of hate and jealousy. Free will gives those choices but with the choices come repercussions too.<br /><br />Oddly enough, the finale gave me hope that Kripke's actually establishing the show's assertion that God does indeed exist. Azazel very matter of factly presented the history of Lucifer's situation and related how "your daddy locked my daddy up." The nuns were murdered like marytrs in the church; Lilith was sacrificed on an altar with "IHS" inscribed on the front. Zachariah really doesn't say that there is no God; his "left the building" could as easily imply "doesn't care." And Castiel's devotion to God would make him foolish and naive if he based his goodness on belief in nothing more than a myth.<br /><br />I wonder if the point is, as with the overly confidant religious leaders of Jesus' time, God will be shown to favor the lowly faithful that serve out of love and commitment: the angels who serves God even in the face of persecution and death, the frightened, alcoholic prophets, the flawed humans who repeatedly fall down but keep fighting to do good. But just as Lucifer's pride caused his fall, these overly confidant high ranking angels might very well find the same thing happening to them.<br /><br />Again, thanks for the terrific article!sarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7168035872777355608.post-67107012682174009582009-05-19T01:51:00.000-04:002009-05-19T01:51:00.000-04:00Yeah I've had a huge problem with how good and evi...Yeah I've had a huge problem with how good and evil all seems to be some shade of grey. It's pretty dull and hopeless, all things considered. Personally I think it's because Kripke got all excited with the idea of having one of his heroes go dark. But then he realized he's piss of the actors' fanbase and backtracked. So everything became about equivocating so that Sammy didn't look any worse than anyone else on the show. He never really committed to this so-called dark arc and so everything just ended up a messy bloor. Luckily I only watch for The Pretty so I can live with it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7168035872777355608.post-90560785465901239132009-05-18T20:34:00.000-04:002009-05-18T20:34:00.000-04:00I never thought about it but you're right about th...I never thought about it but you're right about the angels being a lot like the demons. Dean said that Angels are like shady politicians, but they don't even have to fake it too much.<br /><br />It does indeed paint a very bleak picture of the world. God, thats depressing. <br /><br />The finale was really good, but after reading this and remembering past finales, it doesn't compare to the insane action that I'm used to. The cliff hanger is pretty huge, but... It was too easy. They focused too much on the emotions and self doubt that was already primed in the last episode. This should have been an epic fight scene. It was "I'm sorry bro" and easy kills. Hopefully next season rocks. <br /><br />Oh, I loved your breakdown of Sam and Dean in religious contexts. Each one seems depressing, lonely and hard. I don't know which one is worse though. To be a tool that furthers other people's interests, or to make your own decisions and blame no one but yourself. The latter. It all depends on who you're following.Jricehttp://www.jamalrice.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7168035872777355608.post-18056413686841878452009-05-18T16:37:00.000-04:002009-05-18T16:37:00.000-04:00I was also disappointed in the final. But my bigg...I was also disappointed in the final. But my biggest problem was the Bobby smack down of Dean. I think that in trying to get the brothers together before the end of the episode Kripke with his love of stupid parallelism made some mistakes. <br />My guess is that there will be a God. However, God will be hands off. That whole annoying free will thing.Heatherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07723177740177644010noreply@blogger.com